{"id":558,"date":"2015-11-07T10:03:59","date_gmt":"2015-11-07T09:03:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lekolin.de\/?p=558"},"modified":"2015-11-07T10:03:59","modified_gmt":"2015-11-07T09:03:59","slug":"23ler-davasi-uezerine-yasar-kaya-ile-soeylesi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lekolin.de\/?p=558","title":{"rendered":"23’ler davas\u0131 \u00fczerine Ya\u015far Kaya ile s\u00f6yle\u015fi"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"yasar-kaya_1709\"<\/a>Ya\u015far Kaya, K\u00fcrdistan Tarihi a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan fazla bir bilginin olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 1963 y\u0131l\u0131ndaki \u2018\u201923\u2019ler\u2019\u2019 davas\u0131n\u0131 anlat\u0131rken ve sorular\u0131m\u0131za cevap verirken s\u00f6zlerine \u015f\u00f6yle ba\u015flad\u0131:<\/p>\n

\u2018\u20191938 Dersim Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019ndan sonra Kuzey K\u00fcrdistan\u2019da, 17 Aral\u0131k 1959 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u2018\u2019<\/span>49\u2019lar<\/b><\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 olarak an\u0131lan tutuklamalar \u00f6nemli bir d\u00f6n\u00fcm noktas\u0131 oldu. Bundan sonra ikinci toplu tutuklamalar da \u2018\u2019<\/span>23\u2019ler<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019Olay\u0131 ile ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti. <\/span><\/p>\n

1961 Askeri Darbesi sonras\u0131 olu\u015fan ortamda, K\u00fcrt Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131 da baz\u0131 yay\u0131nlar etraf\u0131nda k\u00fcmelenmeye ve K\u00fcrtlerin sorunlar\u0131n\u0131, edebiyat ve k\u00fclt\u00fcr de\u011ferlerini tart\u0131\u015fmaya ba\u015flam\u0131\u015f-lard\u0131. Di\u011fer K\u00fcrdistan par\u00e7alar\u0131ndan ve \u00f6zellikle G\u00fcney K\u00fcrdistan\u2019dan gelen ve \u00f6rg\u00fctlenmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan unsurlar da i\u00e7inde olmak \u00fczere, Haziran 1963\u2019te 23 K\u00fcrt Ayd\u0131n\u0131 tutuklanm\u0131\u015f ve haklar\u0131nda dava a\u00e7\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131.<\/p>\n

1959 y\u0131l\u0131nda tutuklanan \u2018\u201949\u2019lar<\/b>\u2019\u2019 haklar\u0131ndaki dava hen\u00fcz sonu\u00e7lanmadan \u2018\u201923\u2019ler Olay\u0131<\/b>\u2019\u2019olay\u0131 ger\u00e7ekle\u015fmi\u015fti. Bu tutuklamalar\u0131n yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 d\u00f6nem, 1961 Askeri Darbesi sonras\u0131, ilki 1962 ve ikincisi de 1963\u2019te \u00fcst \u00fcste yap\u0131lan iki ayr\u0131 askeri darbe giri\u015fimi olmu\u015f ve ba\u015far\u0131-s\u0131zl\u0131kla sonu\u00e7lanm\u0131\u015ft\u0131.<\/p>\n

Gerek \u2018\u2019<\/span>49\u2019lar<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019 ve gerekse \u2018\u2019<\/span>23\u2019ler<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019 sonras\u0131 cezaevlerinden \u00e7\u0131kan ayd\u0131nlar birbirleri ile ya-k\u0131n ili\u015fkilere ve yeni aray\u0131\u015flar i\u00e7ine girmi\u015flerdi. Bu aray\u0131\u015flar sonucu, 1965 y\u0131l\u0131nda Faik BU-CAK ve arkada\u015flar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan \u201cT\u00fcrkiye K\u00fcrdistan Demokrat Partisi (TKDP)\u201d kurulmu\u015ftu. <\/span><\/p>\n

1969 sonras\u0131 T\u00fcrk \u2018\u2019Solu\u2019\u2019ndan kopu\u015fma s\u00fcreci ya\u015fayan K\u00fcrt Ayd\u0131nlar\u0131, \u00f6nce Ankara \/ \u0130stan-bul\u2019da, giderek K\u00fcrdistan\u2019da yayg\u0131n bi\u00e7imde Devrimci Do\u011fu K\u00fclt\u00fcr Ocaklar (DDKO)\u2019\u0131nda \u00f6rg\u00fctlendiler.Art\u0131k, legal bir K\u00fcrt Hareketi olu\u015fmu\u015f, gerek \u201cDo\u011fu Mitingleri\u201d, gerekse \u00dcniversiteler ve K\u00fcrdistan\u2019daki kitlesel \u00f6rg\u00fctlenmelerde \u00f6nemli bir yer tutmu\u015ftu DDKO\u2019lar. Sonraki d\u00f6nem K\u00fcrt Hareketi\u2019nin legal ve illegal \u00f6rg\u00fctlenmeleri ve guruplar\u0131n\u0131n kadrolar\u0131 da DDKO i\u00e7inden \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015ft\u0131..<\/p>\n

Bu arada Dr. S. K\u0131rm\u0131z\u0131toprak\u2019\u0131n liderli\u011fini yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u201cT\u00fcrkiye<\/span>de<\/u><\/span> K\u00fcrdistan Demokrat Partisi (TKDP)\u201d kurulmu\u015ftu. Di\u011fer KDP\u2019den isim olarak T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin sonundaki <\/span>de<\/b><\/u><\/span> <\/b>ile ayr\u0131l\u0131yordu, fakat 1970 sonras\u0131 yarg\u0131lamalarda birklikte yarg\u0131land\u0131lar..\u2019\u2019<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu <\/span>–<\/span>Bize \u2018\u201923\u2019ler Davas\u0131\u2019\u2019 ve o davadaki konumunuzu k\u0131saca a\u00e7ar m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z<\/span>?<\/span><\/h1>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya<\/b><\/span> -Bilindi\u011fi gibi, 27 May\u0131s 1960\u2019da bir Askeri Darbe olmu\u015f ve T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye baz\u0131 yenilikler getirmi\u015fti. \u00d6rne\u011fin, Devlet Planlama Te\u015fkilat\u0131 gibi yeni kurumlar olu\u015fmu\u015ftu. Bunlar gibi \u00f6nemli bir yenilik de, o d\u00f6nem i\u00e7in nispeten \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fck\u00e7\u00fc say\u0131lacak 1961 Anaya-sas\u0131\u2019yd\u0131. Bu ortamdan yararlan\u0131larak bas\u0131nda da yeni baz\u0131 \u015feyler ortaya \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f, yay\u0131n organ-lar\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kmaya ba\u015flam\u0131\u015ft\u0131. T\u00fcrk \u2018\u2019Solu\u2019\u2019 ve K\u00fcrtler de bundan istifade etmi\u015flerdi \u00d6rne\u011fin \u0130stanbul\u2019da \u201c<\/span>Deng<\/b><\/span>, <\/span>Roja Newe<\/b><\/span>, <\/span>Dicle-F\u0131rat\u201d<\/b><\/span> gibi yay\u0131nlar \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yordu. Sol g\u00f6r\u00fcnen \u201c<\/span>Tanin\u201d<\/b><\/span> Gazetesi vard\u0131.<\/span><\/p>\n

Bu arada 27 May\u0131s\u00e7\u0131lar\u2019a kar\u015f\u0131 da ordu i\u00e7inde geli\u015fmeler s\u00fcr\u00fcyordu. Daha sert askeri y\u00f6netim ve ba\u015fta k\u00fcrtleri yok edecek e\u011filimler vard\u0131. Bunun gibi, di\u011fer muhalefet kesimlerine de hayat hakk\u0131 vermeyecek bir anlay\u0131\u015f ve Anayasa\u2019n\u0131n s\u0131n\u0131rland\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131 vb.. gibi anlay\u0131\u015flarla, ilki 22 \u015eubat 1962\u2019de ve ikincisi de 21 May\u0131s 1963\u2019te iki ba\u015far\u0131s\u0131z askeri darbe giri\u015fimi olmu\u015f ve bunlar, sokaklara ta\u015fan Kara Harp Okulu \u00d6\u011frencileri ile birlikte 1963\u2019te tutuklan\u0131p yarg\u0131lan-maya tabi tutulmu\u015flard\u0131. Bu nedenle S\u0131k\u0131y\u00f6netim (\u00d6rfi \u0130dare) ilan edilmi\u015fti. \u0130\u015fte, bu ortamda sivri u\u00e7lar da tasfiye edilmi\u015fti. \u2018\u2019<\/span>23\u2019ler<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019in tutuklanmalar\u0131 da, o d\u00f6nem K\u00fcrt Cephesi\u2019nde bir t\u00f6rp\u00fcleme eylemiydi. Kalk\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 bast\u0131rmak i\u00e7in de olsa, K\u00fcrtler bahane edilmi\u015f ve \u2018\u2019<\/span>23\u2019ler<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019e bir komplo kurulmu\u015ftu. \u0130\u015fte, ben de bu tutuklamalar i\u00e7indeydim. <\/span>Deng<\/b><\/span>\u2019in yaz\u0131i\u015fleri m\u00fcd\u00fcr\u00fc olarak zaten yarg\u0131lan\u0131yordum, tutukluydum. Bu davadan tahliye oldu\u011fum zaman, oradan al\u0131narak \u2018\u2019<\/span>23\u2019ler<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019 davas\u0131na dahil edilmi\u015ftim ve yeniden cezaevi s\u00fcrecim ba\u015flam\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Yani, hakk\u0131m\u0131zda bir\u00e7ok uydurma delil ve belge ile olu\u015fturulmu\u015f bir davan\u0131n sa-n\u0131klar\u0131ndan biriydim.<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu -Davan\u0131n a\u00e7\u0131lmas\u0131 s\u00fcrecini belirlerken, daha \u00f6nceki baz\u0131 yay\u0131n faaliyetle-rinden s\u00f6z etmi\u015fsiniz. \u00d6rne\u011fin Baz\u0131 arkada\u015flar\u0131n DENG etraf\u0131nda k\u00fcmelendiklerini s\u00f6y-l\u00fcyorsunuz. Deng\u2019in o g\u00fcnk\u00fc durumu ve etraf\u0131ndaki arkada\u015flar\u0131n birliktelikleri neydi<\/b>?<\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya<\/b><\/span> –<\/span>Deng<\/b><\/span>, Cumhuriyet d\u00f6neminde \u00e7\u0131kan ilk K\u00fcrt\u00e7e-T\u00fcrk\u00e7e bir dergidir. Dergi kad-rosu, Musa ANTER, Medet SERHAT, Ya\u015far KAYA ve Ergun Koyuncu\u2019dan olu\u015fmaktayd\u0131. \u0130lk yaz\u0131 i\u015fleri m\u00fcd\u00fcr\u00fc olarak ben tutuklan\u0131nca, ikinci say\u0131s\u0131nda yaz\u0131 i\u015fleri m\u00fcd\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcne Celal ERG\u00dcN getiriliyor. <\/span>Deng <\/b><\/span>etraf\u0131nda duran arkada\u015flar\u0131n o g\u00fcnk\u00fc birliktelikleri, sadece ulusalc\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f, milli duygular ve K\u00fcrt Halk\u0131\u2019n\u0131n sesini duyurmad\u0131r.<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu<\/b><\/span> –<\/span>Yine o d\u00f6nem \u201cRoja Newe\u201d adl\u0131 derginin Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7 taraf\u0131ndan \u00e7\u0131ka-r\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u00f6ylenmi\u015f, bu yay\u0131n\u0131n niteli\u011fi ve kapsam\u0131n\u0131 biraz a\u00e7ar m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya <\/b><\/span>-Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7 \u201c<\/span>Roja Newe\u201d <\/b><\/span>ad\u0131nda Zazaca bir dergi \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131yordu. Bu yay\u0131n\u0131n muhtevas\u0131 biraz zay\u0131ft\u0131. Bir yan\u0131yla siyasi, di\u011fer yan\u0131yla y\u00f6resel yaz\u0131lar i\u00e7eriyordu. <\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu<\/b><\/span> –<\/span>Edip Karahan\u2019\u0131n \u201cDicle-F\u0131rat\u201d isimli \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131\u011f\u0131 yay\u0131n nas\u0131ld\u0131<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya <\/b><\/span> -Edip KARAHAN\u2019\u0131n \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u201c<\/span>Dicle-F\u0131rat\u201d<\/b><\/span> turarl\u0131 ve dolu bir gazeteydi. Bir \u00e7ok yazar ve fikir adam\u0131 \u201c<\/span>Dicle-F\u0131rat<\/b><\/span>\u201dta yaz\u0131yorlard\u0131. Bug\u00fcn hepsi tarih olmu\u015f durumda. Enver AYTEK\u0130N ilk defa bu gazetede \u2018\u2019<\/span>asimilasyon<\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 \u00fczerine yaz\u0131lar yazm\u0131\u015ft\u0131.<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu \u2013\u2018\u2019<\/b><\/span>23\u2019ler Olay\u0131<\/b><\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 sizce o d\u00f6nem iki kere ba\u015fvurulmu\u015f ve kamuoyu olu\u015ftur-mu\u015f askeri darbeler i\u00e7in konuyu ba\u015fka y\u00f6ne \u00e7eken bir tutuklama de\u011fil miydi? S\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc etti\u011fimiz 22 \u015eubat 1962 ve 21 May\u0131s 1963 ba\u015far\u0131s\u0131z askeri darbelerini yapanlar\u0131n programlar\u0131 neydi? K\u00fcrt Sorunu d\u0131\u015ftalad\u0131klar\u0131 bir \u015fey de\u011fil miydi<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya – <\/b><\/span> \u2018\u2019<\/span>23\u2019ler Olay\u0131<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019, tamamiyle K\u00fcrt Cephesi\u2019ndeki geli\u015fmelerin ve \u0130stanbul\u2019da okuyan G\u00fcney K\u00fcrdistanl\u0131 \u00f6\u011frencilerin kurdu\u011fu \u201c<\/span>Avrupa K\u00fcrt Talebeler Cemiyeti\u201d<\/b><\/i><\/span> \u015eube-si\u2019nin tasfiyesine y\u00f6nelikti. <\/span><\/p>\n

S\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc etti\u011fimiz bu askeri darbecilerin bir program\u0131 da yoktu. Nitekim, Mamak Askeri Cezaevi\u2019nde onlarla beraber yatt\u0131k, g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmelerimiz oldu, K\u00fcrt Sorunu\u2019nu da orada bizlerden \u00f6\u011frendiler.<\/p>\n

Liderleri talat AYDEM\u0130R, 27 May\u0131s Askeri Cuntas\u0131\u2019ndan gelmekteydi. \u015eu da \u00f6nemli ve dikkat \u00e7ekiciydi; 22 \u015eubat\u00e7\u0131lar\u2019la, 21 May\u0131s\u00e7\u0131lar\u2019\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011fu \u00e7erkez as\u0131ll\u0131yd\u0131lar.<\/p>\n

\u2018\u201923\u2019ler<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019 in tutuklanmalar\u0131 K\u00fcrt Sorunu\u2019nun belli bir s\u00fcre ertelenmesini sa\u011flad\u0131. Bu olay 1964\u2019te son buldu ve daha sonra illegal K\u00fcrt Partileri olu\u015ftu. \u2018\u2019<\/span>49\u2019lar<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019dan Sait EL\u00c7\u0130 ve arkada\u015flar\u0131n\u0131n 1965 kurmu\u015f olduklar\u0131 <\/span>TKDP<\/b><\/span> (T\u00fcrkiye K\u00fcrdistan Demokrat Partisi)\u2019ni \u00f6rnek verebiliriz. Yine, daha sonraki tarihlerde Sait K\u0131rm\u0131z\u0131toprak ve arkada\u015flar\u0131n\u0131n kurduklar\u0131 parti de \u00f6rnekler aras\u0131ndad\u0131r. \u2018\u2019<\/span>49\u2019lar<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019dan <\/span>Soro<\/b><\/span> kod adl\u0131 Nazmi BALKA\u015e, \u00f6l\u00fcms\u00fcz BARZAN\u0130 Hareketi\u2019ne kat\u0131lm\u0131\u015f, topograf olarak uzun y\u0131llar g\u00f6rev yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Daha sonra da Dr. Sait KIRMIZITOPRAK (\u015e\u0131van)\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131nda yer alm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Bu \u00f6rnekleri \u00e7o\u011faltabiliriz. K\u00fcrt Hareketi b\u00f6ylece illegal bir zemine oturmaya ba\u015flad\u0131.<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu <\/b><\/span>\u2013 <\/span>Sizinle ayn\u0131 cezaevinde olan<\/b><\/span> Darbe y\u00f6neticilerinden<\/b><\/span> Binba\u015f\u0131 Fethi G\u00dcRCAN\u2019\u0131n \u2018\u2019<\/b><\/span>Ey Raqip<\/b><\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 (K\u00fcrt Ulusal Mar\u015f\u0131) s\u00f6ylenirken sayg\u0131 duru\u015funda bulundu\u011fu do\u011fru mu, bu konuda bilgi ve g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fleri var m\u0131yd\u0131? <\/b><\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya \u2013 <\/b><\/span>Binba\u015f\u0131 Fethi G\u00dcRCAN, Talat AYDEM\u0130R ile birlikte idam edildi ve Cunta\u2019n\u0131n ikinci adam\u0131yd\u0131. Biz, y\u0131lba\u015f\u0131 gecesi Mamak Cezaevi\u2019nde, <\/span>Yeni Y\u0131l\u0131<\/b><\/span> kutlarken Fethi G\u00dcRCAN ko\u011fu\u015ftan i\u00e7eri girmi\u015fti. O s\u0131rada <\/span>biz<\/span><\/span> \u2018\u2019<\/span>Ey Raqip<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019 mar\u015f\u0131n\u0131 okuyorduk. Bizi o durumda g\u00f6r\u00fcnce hemen haz\u0131rol\u2019a ge\u00e7mi\u015f, sayg\u0131 ile mar\u015f\u0131 dinlemi\u015f ve bitti\u011finde ise \u015funlar\u0131 s\u00f6ylemi\u015fti;<\/span><\/p>\n

\u2018\u2019Arkada\u015flar, ben arkada\u015flar\u0131m ad\u0131na b\u00fct\u00fcn k\u0131s\u0131mlar\u0131 dola\u015f\u0131p herkese yeni y\u0131llar diliyorum. Size de, iyi y\u0131llar ve \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fckler diliyorum<\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019. Bunlar\u0131 s\u00f6yledikten sonra \u00e7\u0131k\u0131p gitmi\u015fti.<\/span><\/p>\n

Bu darbecilerin K\u00fcrt Sorunu ile ilgili g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fleri yoktu, sadece merak ediyorlard\u0131. Zaten o d\u00f6nem T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de kimin g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fc vard\u0131 ki, onlar\u0131n da olsun.<\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu –<\/b><\/span> Bu darbeciler ba\u015farsalar K\u00fcrtler konusunda nas\u0131l bir \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm \u00f6nerileri vard\u0131? Yoksa K\u00fcrtlerin k\u00f6k\u00fcn\u00fc m\u00fc kaz\u0131yacaklard\u0131<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya<\/b><\/span> – Darbecilerden Fethi G\u00dcRCAN\u2019a, siz iktidara gelseydiniz \u00fclkeyi nas\u0131l idare edecektiniz diye sormu\u015ftum. \u2018\u2019<\/span>Ben devletin trenini ray \u00fcst\u00fcnde silah zoruyla y\u00fcr\u00fctecektim<\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 diye cevap vermi\u015fti. <\/span><\/p>\n

Bu darbecilerin i\u00e7lerinde, iki-\u00fc\u00e7 yabanc\u0131 dil bilen havac\u0131 subaylar da vard\u0131. Bunlar bat\u0131l\u0131 gazete ve dergilerde K\u00fcrtlerle ilgili \u00e7\u0131kan yaz\u0131lar\u0131 bize verirlerdi.<\/p>\n

Darbecilerle ili\u015fkilerimiz resmi, ama dost\u00e7a idi. Onlar da bizleri, sisteme muhalif olarak g\u00f6r\u00fcyorlard\u0131.K\u00fcrt Sorunu ile ilgili bilgileri yoktu. Aralar\u0131nda Emin ARAT isminde bir albay vard\u0131, \u2018\u2019<\/span>Ben tarih\u00e7iyim, K\u00fcrtler de T\u00fcrk\u2019t\u00fcr<\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 diyordu, tabii cevab\u0131n\u0131 da al\u0131yordu. <\/span><\/p>\n

Ama, hi\u00e7biri K\u00fcrtlerin k\u00f6klerini kaz\u0131maktan bahsetmiyorlard\u0131.<\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu<\/b><\/span> – <\/span>Sizin karde\u015finizde mi bunlarla ilgiliydi, yoksa ba\u015fka yerden mi tan\u0131\u015f\u0131-yorlar<\/b><\/span>? <\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya <\/b><\/span>\u2013 Benim karde\u015fim o zaman Harp Okulu \u00f6\u011frencisi de\u011fildi, tank te\u011fmeniydi ve ba\u015fbakanl\u0131\u011f\u0131 teslim alan b\u00f6l\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn ba\u015f\u0131ndayd\u0131. Karde\u015fim tank\u00e7\u0131 olarak tan\u0131nan milli bir voley-bolc\u00fcyd\u00fc. Generaller dahil, onu herkes tan\u0131yordu. Biz, ekip olarak Mamak\u2019a geldi\u011fimizde, onlar pencerelerden bak\u0131p Mehmet KAYA\u2019n\u0131n a\u011fabeyi sizsiniz galiba demi\u015fler ve beni top sakal\u0131mdan tan\u0131m\u0131\u015flard\u0131. Karde\u015fimden dolay\u0131 bana sempatileri vard\u0131. <\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu –<\/b><\/span> Abd\u00fclsettar El Hac El HAMAVEND\u0130\u2019den bahsediyorsunuz ve ele\u015ftiri-yorsunuz. Ger\u00e7ekten s\u00f6ylendi\u011fi gibi, bu \u015fahs\u0131n \u2018\u2019<\/b><\/span>23\u2019ler<\/b><\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 operasyonunda etkisi b\u00fcy\u00fck m\u00fc<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya <\/b><\/span>–<\/span> <\/b> HAMAVEND\u0130\u2019nin operasyonda ba\u015f rol oynad\u0131\u011f\u0131 do\u011frudur. Halep\u2019te Mehmet Nuri DERS\u0130M\u0130 ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmesi ve onun da Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7 ve Musa ANTER\u2019i tavsiye etmesi bizim tutuklanma olay\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 haz\u0131rl\u0131yor. \u00c7\u00fcnk, HAMAVEND\u0130 T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye gelir gelmez, \u0130stihbarat onu takibe al\u0131yor. Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7\u2019\u0131n, \u201cMusa\u2019ya gitme, o kom\u00fcnisttir\u201d s\u00f6ylemi \u00fczeri-ne Musa ANTER\u2019le temas kurmuyor. <\/span><\/p>\n

Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7, Hasan BULU\u015e ve HAMAVEND\u0130 aras\u0131nda yap\u0131lan g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeler ve gizli bir \u00f6rg\u00fct kurma faaliyetleri geli\u015fiyor. Ki, iddianamenin 54-64. sayfalar\u0131 aras\u0131nda geni\u015f olarak yer verilmi\u015f olan 1. Gurup san\u0131klar b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcnde bu ki\u015filerin faaliyetleri izah edilmi\u015ftir. Bunlar\u0131 burada tekrar etmeye gerek yok san\u0131yorum.<\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu –<\/b><\/span> HAMAVEND\u0130 K\u00fcrt m\u00fc, de\u011filse neden K\u00fcrtler\u2019le temas etmek i\u00e7in \u00e7a-balam\u0131\u015f? Mehmet Nuri DERS\u0130M\u0130 bunu neden g\u00f6ndermi\u015f<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya <\/b><\/span>\u2013 HAMAVEND\u0130 K\u00fcrt\u2019t\u00fcr. Hamavend a\u015firetindendir. Irak\u2019ta Nuri SA\u0130T d\u00f6ne-minde bir \u00e7ok kirli i\u015fe kar\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015f bir adamd\u0131r. Mehmet Nuri DERS\u0130M\u0130 ile tan\u0131\u015f\u0131nca, onu da doland\u0131r\u0131yor. DERS\u0130M\u0130\u2019ye \u2018\u2019<\/span>ben T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye gidece\u011fim<\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 dedi\u011fi zaman, o da Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7 ve Musa ANTER\u2019i tavsiye ediyor. Yoksa, DERS\u0130M\u0130 onu T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye g\u00f6ndermi\u015f de\u011fil..<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu –<\/b><\/span> Do\u011fan K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7\u2019\u0131n telefonla DERS\u0130M\u0130\u2019yi aramas\u0131 ger\u00e7ek mi? Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7\u2019a gelen istihbarat elemanlar\u0131 hangi yabanc\u0131 \u00fclkenin ajanlar\u0131<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya <\/b><\/span>– Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7 ve HAMAVEND\u0130 birlikte \u00f6rg\u00fct \u015femas\u0131 yapt\u0131ktan sonra, K\u00fcrt dostu yabanc\u0131 bir devletin konsoloslu\u011funa telefon ediyorlar ve yard\u0131m i\u00e7in g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek istediklerini bildiriyorlar. \u0130li\u015fki kurulmak istenen devlet konsoloslu\u011fu da hemen onlar\u0131 M\u0130T (Milli \u0130stihbarat Te\u015fkilat\u0131)\u2019na ba\u011fl\u0131yorlar. B\u00f6ylece, \u0130stanbul Ta\u015fl\u0131k\u2019taki kahvede M\u0130T ele-manlar\u0131 ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme yap\u0131yorlar. Arac\u0131l\u0131k yapan o devletin ad\u0131n\u0131 ise, \u015fimdi a\u00e7\u0131klamak bug\u00fcn do\u011fru olmaz kan\u0131s\u0131nday\u0131m. Bu konuda zamana ihtiya\u00e7 var.<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu \u2013 Siz, Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7 ve Hasan BULU\u015e i\u00e7in tutuklamalar\u0131n ba\u015f akt\u00f6rleri kavram\u0131n\u0131 kullan\u0131yorsunuz, bu ne anlama geliyor?<\/b><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya<\/b><\/span> – Hasan BULU\u015e, askerden yeni d\u00f6nm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc ve i\u015fsiz bir adamd\u0131. Mardin\u2019li oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in de biraz Arap\u00e7a da biliyordu. Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7\u2019\u0131n yaz\u0131hanesinde \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmaktayd\u0131. HAMA-VEND\u0130 ile Do\u011fan KILI\u00c7\u2019\u0131n g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmesinde aralar\u0131nda terc\u00fcmanl\u0131k yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Bence tutukla-malar\u0131 haz\u0131rlayan bu \u00fc\u00e7 ki\u015fiydi. Onun i\u00e7in ba\u015f akt\u00f6r olduklar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yledim. <\/span><\/p>\n

Esas olarak, yard\u0131m alabilirlerse, bunu kendi \u015fahsi \u00e7\u0131karlar\u0131 i\u00e7in kullanacak yap\u0131dalard\u0131. Yoksa, BARZAN\u0130\u2019ye yard\u0131m etmek gibi bir niyetleri yoktu, b\u00fct\u00fcn bu yanlar\u0131n\u0131 cezaevinde \u00f6\u011frenmi\u015ftik.<\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu <\/b><\/span>– <\/span>Deng\u2019in Yaz\u0131i\u015fleri M\u00fcd\u00fcr\u00fc olarak siz, Sait EL\u00c7\u0130 ve Ziya \u015eEREF-HANO\u011eLU\u2019nun bir kar\u015f\u0131 mektup yaz\u0131p yay\u0131nlad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 ve sizleri \u201ckom\u00fcnist\u201d ilan ettiklerini s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorsunuz? Bu mektubun muhtevas\u0131 neydi<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya –<\/b><\/span> Deng<\/b><\/span>\u2019in \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131lmas\u0131nda Ziya \u015eEREFHANO\u011eLU ile aram\u0131zda anla\u015fmazl\u0131k \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ziya \u015eEREFHANO\u011eLU, kendisine y\u00fczde y\u00fcz ba\u011fl\u0131 olan Sait EL\u00c7\u0130\u2019nin <\/span>Deng <\/b><\/span>kad-rosunda yer almas\u0131n\u0131 istiyordu. Ben ve Medet SERHAT, \u015eEREFHANO\u011eLU\u2019nun yaz\u0131ha-nesine gitmi\u015f ve Sait EL\u00c7\u0130 konusundaki \u0131srar\u0131n\u0131n do\u011fru olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 kendisine s\u00f6ylemi\u015ftik. B\u00f6ylece aram\u0131zdaki k\u00f6pr\u00fcleri atm\u0131\u015f oluyorduk. Bundan sonra onlar bir bildiri yay\u0131nlayarak; \u2018\u2019<\/span>Deng<\/b><\/i><\/span>\u2019i \u00e7\u0131karanlar\u0131n kom\u00fcnist e\u011filimli olduklar\u0131n\u0131, Do\u011fu\u2019nun sosyal yap\u0131s\u0131 ile ilgile-neceklerini s\u00f6yleyerek, solcu olduklar\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6sterdikleri<\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 gibi komik bir iddiada bulunmu\u015flard\u0131. Ama, bir yay\u0131n organ\u0131 da \u00e7\u0131karamam\u0131\u015flar, biz \u00e7ok ses getirmi\u015f olan <\/span>Deng<\/b><\/span>\u2019i \u00e7\u0131karm\u0131\u015ft\u0131k.<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu –<\/b><\/span> Bu arkada\u015flarla ilgili sizin de \u2018\u2019Milliyet\u00e7ilk\u2019\u2019 belirlemeniz var. Bu ay-r\u0131mlar o d\u00f6nem nereden ve nas\u0131l kaynakland\u0131<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya<\/b><\/span> – Zaten, Ziya \u015eEREFHANO\u011eLU, \u2018\u2019<\/span>49\u2019lar Davas\u0131<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019nda duru\u015fmalar s\u0131ras\u0131nda \u201c<\/span>kendisinin milliyet\u00e7i oldu\u011funu ve yarg\u0131lananlar\u0131n fikirlerine i\u015ftirak etmedi\u011fini<\/i><\/span>\u201d deklere etmi\u015fti. Sait EL\u00c7\u0130\u2019nin ise, bana g\u00f6re sonraki siyasi hayat\u0131 \u2018\u2019<\/span>d\u00fcr\u00fcst, namuslu ve fedakar bir K\u00fcrt milliyet\u00e7isi<\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 oldu\u011funu g\u00f6sterdi. \u015eunu da ekleyebilirim, \u2018\u2019<\/span>\u00e7a\u011fda\u015f her fikre de a\u00e7\u0131kt\u0131\u2019\u2019. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu <\/b><\/span>– <\/span>\u0130brahim MAMHIDIR sorgusunda Karag\u00fcmr\u00fck\u2019teki evde \u2018\u2019bal ve kay-makla kahvalt\u0131 etti\u011finizi\u2019\u2019 s\u00f6ylemi\u015f. Ger\u00e7ekten b\u00f6yle bir kahvalt\u0131 oldu mu<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0Ya\u015far Kaya<\/b><\/span> \u2013 \u0130brahim MAMHIDIR\u2019\u0131n Karag\u00fcmr\u00fck\u2019teki evine gitti\u011fim ve birlikte kahvalt\u0131 yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z onun ifadesi al\u0131n\u0131rken belirtti\u011fi bir durumdu, ben de Ziverbey\u2019de bunu inkar etmedim. \u00c7ok say\u0131da yabanc\u0131 \u00f6\u011frenci dostum ve arkada\u015f\u0131m vard\u0131, onlara gidip gelmem, hatta onlarda kalmam\u0131n yad\u0131rgan\u0131r bir taraf\u0131 yoktu. Devlet \u00f6zellikle, G\u00fcney K\u00fcrdistan\u2019dan gelen \u00f6\u011frencilerden BARZAN\u0130 Hareketi nedeniyle endi\u015fe etti\u011fi ve onlar\u0131 kontrol alt\u0131nda tuttu\u011fu i\u00e7in, bu t\u00fcr ili\u015fkiler kurmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yordu. Zaten, b\u00fct\u00fcn G\u00fcney K\u00fcrdistanl\u0131 \u00f6\u011frenciler bizlerle temastalard\u0131. Bizler, \u2018\u2019<\/span>49\u2019lar Davas\u0131<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019 nedeniyle tan\u0131nm\u0131\u015f unsurlard\u0131k, bizlerle tan\u0131\u015fmak, g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek istiyorlard\u0131. <\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu <\/b><\/span>– <\/span>Baz\u0131 \u00f6zel sorular: <\/b><\/span><\/p>\n

Oflu Hasan\u2019\u0131 biraz anlat\u0131r m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z? Topal Osman\u0131n yaz\u0131 dizisini neden takip ediyordu<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya<\/b><\/span> – Oflu Hasan \u0130stanbul\u2019un me\u015fhur kabaday\u0131lar\u0131ndand\u0131. Olgun ve babacan bir adamd\u0131. Sultanahmet Cezaevi\u2019nde korumalar\u0131 ve a\u015f\u00e7\u0131s\u0131 bile vard\u0131. Yazlar\u0131 \u00c7atalca Ceza-evi\u2019ne yazl\u0131\u011fa giderdi. Ben daha \u00f6nce bas\u0131n davas\u0131 nedeniyle Sultanahmet\u2019te yatt\u0131\u011f\u0131m zaman tan\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. Orada bulunan di\u011fer kabaday\u0131larla \u00e7ay demletir, beni de davet ederdi. Bizler Mamak Cezaevi\u2019nden yeniden Sultanahmet\u2019e geldi\u011fimizde, bizlere \u00e7ok yard\u0131m etmi\u015flerdi. \u0130\u015fte, Oflu, robd\u00f6\u015fambr\u0131\u2019n\u0131n cebinde duran Terc\u00fcman Gazetesine g\u00f6z\u00fc ili\u015fen Ergun KOYUN-CU\u2019ya \u2018\u2019<\/span>ye\u011fen ben Terc\u00fcman okumam, \u015fimdi Topal Osman\u2019\u0131n hat\u0131ralar\u0131 veriliyor, onu okuyorum<\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019 demi\u015fti. Bilindi\u011fi gibi, Topal Osman \u00f6nce, Karadeniz\u2019deki Pontus Halk\u0131\u2019n\u0131n k\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n\u0131, sonra da Ko\u00e7giri\u2019de K\u00fcrtlerin katliam\u0131n\u0131 ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirmede etkin rol \u00fcslenenlerden biridir. Atat\u00fcrk\u2019e fedailik yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 ve Ali \u015e\u00fckr\u00fc Beyi de \u00f6ld\u00fcrd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc biliniyor. Bu nedenlerden san\u0131yorum, Oflu Hasan\u2019\u0131n Terc\u00fcman Gazetesi\u2019nde yay\u0131nlanan \u2018\u2019<\/span>Topal Osman Hat\u0131ralar\u0131<\/b><\/i><\/span>\u2019\u2019, ya onun Karadenizli ruhunu ok\u015fayan bir sembold\u00fc yada \u00f6yle bir kabaday\u0131n\u0131n hayat\u0131n\u0131 merak ediyordu. <\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu – Mehmet B\u0130LG\u0130N \u201c49\u2019lar\u201dda oldu\u011fu gibi bu davada da var. E\u011fer, iddi-aname\u2019de bir yanl\u0131\u015fl\u0131k yoksa, aynen \u201c<\/b><\/span>49\u2019lar<\/b><\/i><\/span>\u201d daki gibi banka hesap numaras\u0131 ile ilgili konuda tekrar yarg\u0131lanm\u0131\u015f. Mehmet Bilgin\u2019in ger\u00e7ekten durumu nedir? \u015e\u00fcpheli duru-mu burada da varm\u0131 sizce<\/b><\/span>?<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya <\/b><\/span>– Mehmet B\u0130LG\u0130N \u2018<\/span>\u201923\u2019ler Davas\u0131<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019nda tutuklu de\u011fildi, sonradan iddianameye ilave edildi. Yan\u0131lm\u0131yorsam, o zaman Ordu\u2019da binba\u015f\u0131yd\u0131. Ben kendisini g\u00f6rmedim. \u201c<\/span>49\u2019lar<\/b><\/span> Davas\u0131<\/b><\/span> \u201c san\u0131\u011f\u0131 da de\u011fildi, ad\u0131 ge\u00e7ebilir. Onun \u015f\u00fcpheli durumu ile ilgili bir \u015fey s\u00f6yleyeme-yece\u011fim.<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu –<\/b><\/span> Bu g\u00fcn de\u011ferlendirme yaparsan\u0131z, \u2018\u201923\u2019 ler\u2019\u2019in \u00f6rg\u00fctl\u00fc \u00e7al\u0131\u015fman\u0131n sonu-cu bir dava oldu\u011funu s\u00f6ylemek m\u00fcmk\u00fcn m\u00fc? Yoksa, HAMAVEND\u0130\u2019nin ortal\u0131kta do-la\u015fmas\u0131 sonucu bir \u00e7ok tutuklanman\u0131n oldu\u011fu bir dava m\u0131? Veya darbecileri toplayan h\u00fck\u00fcmetin, her zaman oldu\u011fu gibi K\u00fcrtleri de toplamas\u0131 sorunu mu<\/b><\/span>? <\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya<\/b><\/span> – \u2018\u2019<\/span>23\u2019ler<\/b><\/span>\u2019\u2019in \u00f6rg\u00fctl\u00fc yan\u0131, \u0130stanbul\u2019da okuyan G\u00fcney K\u00fcrdistan\u2019l\u0131 \u00f6\u011frencilerin \u201cAvrupa K\u00fcrt Talebeler Cemiyeti\u201dnin \u015fubesi olarak \u00f6rg\u00fctlenmeleridir. O zaman, \u201cAvrupa K\u00fcrt Talebeler Cemiyeti\u201d bir \u00e7ok faaliyet y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyordu. Bir Kongre\u2019de o zaman \u0130. \u015eerif VAN-LI T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de \u015fubelerinin oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor ve Ziverbey\u2019deki sorgusunda Gazi D\u0130ZEY\u00ce bu a\u00e7\u0131klamay\u0131 itiraf ediyor. Cemiyet Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Cemal ALEMDAR, Gazi\u2019nin itiraf etti\u011fini bilmedi\u011fi i\u00e7in inkar ettik\u00e7e i\u015fkence g\u00f6r\u00fcyor. HAMAVEND\u0130\u2019nin ortal\u0131kta dola\u015fmas\u0131 ise, \u00d6rfi \u0130dare\u2019nin eline bulunmaz kozlar veriyor. H\u00fck\u00fcmet darbe giri\u015fimlerini de bir f\u0131rsat biliyor elbette. Ve \u201csivri u\u00e7lar\u0131 t\u00f6rp\u00fcledik\u201d diyebiliyorlar.<\/span><\/p>\n

G. \u00c7apano\u011flu –<\/b><\/span> Te\u015fekk\u00fcrler Say\u0131n KAYA.<\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya<\/b><\/span> – Ben Te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim. <\/span><\/p>\n

Ya\u015far Kaya, K\u00fcrdistan Tarihi a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan fazla bir bilginin olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 1963 y\u0131l\u0131ndaki \u2018\u201923\u2019ler\u2019\u2019 davas\u0131n\u0131 anlat\u0131rken ve sorular\u0131m\u0131za cevap verirken s\u00f6zlerine \u015f\u00f6yle ba\u015flad\u0131: \u2018\u20191938 Dersim Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019ndan sonra Kuzey K\u00fcrdistan\u2019da, 17 Aral\u0131k 1959 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u2018\u201949\u2019lar\u2019\u2019 olarak an\u0131lan tutuklamalar \u00f6nemli bir d\u00f6n\u00fcm noktas\u0131 oldu. Bundan sonra ikinci toplu tutuklamalar da \u2018\u201923\u2019ler\u2019\u2019Olay\u0131 ile ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti. 1961 Askeri Darbesi sonras\u0131 olu\u015fan ortamda,

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